Coming off 7-OH, MGM-15, or any concentrate

A taper you can actually run, built out of your own log, on your own schedule, without taking a week off work or telling anybody you did not choose to tell. Down to plain leaf, or down to nothing.

Start here

  1. Log every dose for five to seven days. Weighed, timed, with a word about how it felt. This is the step everyone wants to skip and it is the one the rest depends on.
  2. Get your median. Your typical day, measured rather than remembered.
  3. Build a schedule. A percentage off the current dose each step, split across fixed alarm times, at a pace you can supply.
  4. Log against it. Including the days that go badly. Especially those.

What this is

Most people who want off a concentrate cannot take a week off work. They cannot check into a facility. They have a job, a lease, kids, a shop that does not run without them, and a very reasonable fear that walking into a clinic and saying the word "kratom" gets them a chart note that follows them around for the rest of their life.

So they white-knuckle it, feel like absolute hell for six days, cave on day four, and decide they are a failure. They are not failures. The plan was bad.

A taper is the boring version and it works better. You trade one really terrible week for a couple of months of feeling kind of off. That sounds like a worse deal until you notice that the terrible week does not end on day seven anyway. You get weeks of bad sleep and no motivation on the back end no matter which road you take. So you might as well pick the road where you can still go to work.

One thing worth saying out loud

Almost everyone who ends up needing this page got here the same way: they took the legal option. 7-OH and the leaf-derived products were on a shelf, they were legal, and for a very large number of people they were a genuine step down from something far more dangerous: pills, heroin, fentanyl, or a bottle. That was a rational decision made with the information available at the time, and quite often it saved a life before it started costing one.

Then the dose crept. Or the law changed, or the shop closed, or the money ran out. None of that makes anybody here a bad person, and none of it earns the tone people usually get when they ask for help with it. You are trying to get out from under something. That is worth doing carefully, and it is worth doing without somebody's disapproval in your ear the whole way.

Nothing on this site keeps score, guilt-trips a bad day, or rewards you for a streak. Streak mechanics punish honest logging, and the honest log is the part that does the work.

What this is not

It is not medical advice and nobody who wrote it is a clinician. It is a community harm reduction document, built from the published literature and from what people who have done this have worked out.

And there is no clinical trial for tapering 7-OH. None. There are two case reports and a small retrospective series, and they are all about people who arrived in an emergency department already in withdrawal, not people who came down on purpose at home. Everything structural here (the reduction curve, the step lengths, the hold rules) is borrowed from the benzodiazepine and antidepressant deprescribing literature, where the research actually got done, and from community practice. That borrowing is defensible. It still is not the same thing as proven, and every calculator on this site says so next to its own output rather than at the bottom in small print.

The boring disclaimer that happens to be true: a doctor makes this easier, not harder. There are non-opioid prescriptions that turn the worst symptoms down a long way, and getting one does not require you to enter treatment or wear a scarlet letter. If you have a doctor you trust, use them.

Your data never leaves this device

Everything you type here is stored in your own browser, on this machine. There is no account, no login, no server, no analytics, no error reporting, no fonts pulled from anywhere, no third-party script of any kind. These are plain files. There is nowhere for your data to go even if something tried to send it.

The practical consequence: if you clear your browser data, your log is gone. Take a backup from Your data every couple of weeks. The same button gives you a file you can hand to a doctor if you ever decide to.

The whole method in one box

  1. Log every dose, weighed, for 5–7 days. Note how each one felt.
  2. Compute your mean, median and lowest comfortable day. Start from the lowest comfortable day unless it followed a spike.
  3. Optionally take a 20% cut off the top before you begin. It is the cheapest cut you will ever make.
  4. Divide the daily total across 4–6 fixed alarm times. Dose on the clock, not on the feeling.
  5. Cut a percentage of your current dose each step (around 10% every 5 days), not a fixed number of milligrams.
  6. Rough step? Hold. Do not go back up. Easy step? Speed up.
  7. Under about 10 mg a dose, switch to volumetric dosing. Your scale is lying to you.
  8. Cross to plain leaf near the bottom, or jump from 3–8 mg.
  9. Expect weeks of feeling off afterward. That is the process working, not failing.
  10. Your tolerance is gone. Never test it with an old dose.

Where to go

The guide

The whole thing in prose: why the log matters, how to pick your starting number, why the curve is shaped the way it is, and what the end looks like.

Journal + taper builder

The working tool. Dose log, median, schedule generator with alarms, and a daily journal to track what you actually did against what you planned.

Supplements and medications

What helps, what does nothing, and the one over-the-counter thing on this site that has already killed people who were trying to do exactly what you are doing.

The taper stack

The supplement stack Blask wrote for managing NMDA, GABA and dopamine through a taper, with doses, evidence grades, a daily checklist, and the interactions that catch people out.

Crossing to leaf

Stepping from a concentrate down to plain leaf near the bottom, and then off the leaf. Also the place to start if you are already on plain leaf and want off it.

After the last dose

The weeks nobody warns you about, and the loss-of-tolerance window that is the most dangerous part of succeeding.

Evidence

Every claim with its source and an honest read on how strong it is, plus a list of what nobody actually knows.

Tell one person

Not because this is physically dangerous in the way stopping alcohol or benzodiazepines is, because it is not: opioid withdrawal does not carry that seizure risk. Dehydration can genuinely put you in trouble and is worth watching, but mostly this is not a physical-safety problem. Tell someone for the practical reason that around week five your judgment about how you are doing gets unreliable, and you need somebody outside your own head who can say you told me last Tuesday you were fine, and you are not fine.

One person who knows the plan. That is it. They do not need to understand the chemistry. They just need to be able to hear "how's the taper" answered honestly.